italian black powder revolver proof marks

0000010518 00000 n The table below can be used to see if your gun was proofed in London or Birmingham. My wife and grand kids and my kids. These marks are the Belgian Lion rampant over the letters S.C.H. The marks were obliterated when I finished the frame. 0000001989 00000 n Crown CP (final black powder proof for the smooth bored muzzle loader barrels. Beretta used no date code in 1944. and 20 Gauge. The "PN" are the initials for "polere nera" or black powder. 0000001338 00000 n 0000013906 00000 n It prompted me to get up and check when my guns were made. 0000036933 00000 n My revolver has 'Made in Italy' on the barrel, and the Italian Gardone proof as well as the Italian proof that has a star surrounded by 8 lands and grooves above the letters PN both appear several places on the frame and cylinder. Once tested and successful the weapon was stamped with a seal to acknowledge the testing - called "Proof Marks". There is a complete lack of many records, but with the assistance of many replica collectors from around the world, and especially in France and Italy, we have been able to identify many of them. 3l\9/OEK0joW/L242:ORES\";OhBzP%% - eupGHsP/Y$T y&$ iJ.iO7+asMi3>6fV#iBM u*wzY!.biCEy;Z7yA+lpNQFP+dV4N5t i For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Action Type: Percussion Black Powder Revolver. Product Catalog Revolvers made in Italy Most relevant Alphabetically: A-Z Alphabetically: Z-A We recommend Special offers BA 112 Magazine-Tube Pump-Action Shotgun Brand: Best Hulu Arms 5% discount for over 250 pcs order. 0000078548 00000 n 0000005765 00000 n 0000141211 00000 n Seen SPANISH PROOF MARKS PROOF MARKS: SPANISH PROOF MARKS, cont. 0000039614 00000 n 0000001623 00000 n THINGS THAT GO BANG! 0000001896 00000 n Uberti's extensive line of traditional guns has established a long history of reliability. An additional listing showing old PN in French does indeed mean Poudre Noire, but as most BP handguns we see these days are made in Italy then it stands for Polvere Nero - Italian for black powder. 0000109588 00000 n Marlin-Savage-Winchester 1858 New Army Revolvers. Specifications: Manufacturer -- Fusav di Bini & Baronio (Italy) Date Code -- "AD" = 1978 date of manufacture Barrel Markings: Left side -- 36 Cal. The butt is marked "PFT FIE ITALY", etched "5K8 12 80755". 0000134772 00000 n 1860 Army Engraved Black Powder Revolver .44 cal Blued. 0000016679 00000 n 0000004778 00000 n 1945 = 1. The most visible change is the change from a crown to a star 1950 so crown and PSF is from the time between 1923 and 1950. 0000007161 00000 n Inspectors WWII German Codes & Markings GUN MARKINGS Please enter the markings you want to research and click the submit button. 0000115678 00000 n 0000049974 00000 n 0000051690 00000 n Uberti black powder revolvers are exact replicas of their famous predecessors, and are built to perform reliably and safely with modern black powder loads. 0000004954 00000 n SKU: FR185117. The DGG is the mark of Armi San Paoli, now Euroarms. Largest pricelist of weapons and civil supplies. to identify the manufacturer. 0000004839 00000 n 0000051585 00000 n This mark is found on guns that is not made in Belgium by countries that use proofs that is not recognized by the Belgian Proof House. 0000007642 00000 n 0 0000002445 00000 n 1810 -> Liege. Barrel Length: 7 " Octagonal Sights / Optics: The front sight is a brass bead fixed to the barrel . 0000039738 00000 n 0000008415 00000 n AN ITALIAN .44 BLACK POWDER REVOLVER SERIAL NUMBER D50212. 178 0 obj <>stream ,!x#B3`Ev It is also these proofmarks, especially manufacturer symbols/logos that give us a history of the firearm. H\j0~ -Ec]]`iBd[&QE~t|J3Wva64v0-uy6Owi.x1:y14y=l*^>rv^)eO>S^)zy^Qp.6CTZ=_"qU[f!=xKw2"+pMlb/}-g%0_/3LA0G#%gC_`uC/}uEpV:+kk 0000050991 00000 n Rifles & Musket Information. This will be an on going The polished brass trigger guard and walnut grips hold true to tradition. Liege, in Belgium, has always been celebrated for its weapons, and established its proof house as a municipal enterprise on May 10, 1672, when it was laid down that barrels should be marked with the stamp of the city, and unproved weapons might not be sold under pain of a fine of a gold florin and the confiscation of the unproved barrel. 0000012277 00000 n All rights reserved. Anyways, the modern stampings are needed to produce a legal firearm in Italy (black powder p [roof testing and overall firearm inspection proof for example) and to allow it to be exported/imported into the USA by a number of importers/vendors under mass or individual contracts. Your gun appears to be made by one of the lesser known companies as it doesn't say Uberti or Pietta. Serial Numbers. 0000010278 00000 n Next is the mark which has "PN" - the Gardone & Brescia 1st Black Powder Proof mark used since 1959. 0000005072 00000 n Register today and take advantage of membership benefits. 0000028135 00000 n 2: A re-bored rifle. 1948 = 4. J. Testing the gun The wholesalers from Italy listed on our website are able to fulfill large bulk orders or hunting equipment on a short notice, making it easy to import and export ammunition and guns to and from virtually any country in the world. Senior Member . 0000003864 00000 n 0000008989 00000 n 35 45 since 1950 E. German, Suhl 1st black powder proof for smooth bored barrels since 1950 E. German, Suhl inspection mark since 1950 E. German, Suhl choke-bore barrel mark PROOF MARKS: GERMAN PROOF MARKS, cont. Thanks, Claude. Liege. I never saw it extended to 2030! SKU: FR186012. JavaScript is disabled. 0000006823 00000 n 0000037574 00000 n A voluminous schedule of rules and scales of charge for the proof of various kinds of small arms is in existence, and the proof is the same at London and at Birmingham; though different proof marks are employed. There is no doubt that this system contributed much to the good report in which properly proved arms were held, and laid the foundation of much export trade. This rifle is equipped with an elevation and windage adjustable Creedmoor rear sight and spirit-level tunnel front sight with windage adjustment micrometer screw. Hb``a``=P @1630i`@GDTVs(R {g i 23>`.0,p?PA! 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Italian Firearms Year of Manufacture Look Up works for Beretta, Benelli and other Italian firearms. Very unusual underhammer as the cocking knob is a better design so you can grasp it easier and. ALL CAN BE SEEN IN THE P. on Jan 23, 2018. 0000004871 00000 n Predictably, speed jumped from around 750 fps to well above 900 fps. Thank you for 1990 = AZ. xref Ordinance and Proof Houses were established by law in almost every 0000008871 00000 n 0000013943 00000 n 1: A true smoothbore rifle. Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 . 1810 - 1853. 0000111269 00000 n "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over 148 75 trailer 0000117775 00000 n 0000011515 00000 n I pray for all on the wire and all that I shoot with.After this last fight with cancer that my wife and GOD and all of you that prayed for her.Things change your outlook some. 0000004861 00000 n The brass frame makes it a Confederate. The Italian proof houses in Gardone and Valtrompia have been around for a very long time but as far as reproduction black powder arms are concerned, the dating begins in 1954. August 19, 2012, 10:13 AM #8: MogrenE. Says made in italy on barrel. 0000105711 00000 n For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. These marks are customarily the cipher of the gunsmiths' guild and the mark of the State or city. startxref 1989 = AU. Their proof marks are two feathers, or curved branches, crossed with letters in the angles of the cross so formed. country requiring that weapons sold within the respective country, and 0000002293 00000 n 0000013676 00000 n 0000011188 00000 n Marks, Arsenal & Inspector Marks, Manufacturers The lower right face of the octagonal barrel says, "A.S.M. Model: Reproduction LeMat Army Revolver. To make purchases and use the full site services, register or login your account, Shooting accessories/Guns storage/Training, Immediate shipping on a all products listed, Contract - 5.56 x 45mm 62 Gr. e"GK((((JYWo b>G{9NLc>O4N&+ n2 0000057983 00000 n 0000080946 00000 n xref 0000002539 00000 n Attachments 1LC_7209.jpg 259.2 KB Views: 601 1LC_7210.jpg The well-known Waffenamt Nazi symbol was actually a military acceptance mark, and not a proof mark. Enjoy the thrill of shooting a gun from the Old West and experience how history repeats itself. 0000027315 00000 n This site is an educational and resource site for collecting cap and ball replica revolvers. manufactured firearms, such as pistols from Spain and Italy, will list a This warning appears on the bar- These 0000003452 00000 n This "certifies" that each chamber was proofed at 8,800 psi with a 30% plus load. The viewers mark was a capital V, also surmounted with a crown. Starting price $549. Double proof as prescribed by the French law of 1810. 0000003896 00000 n 0000096938 00000 n Birmingham did not establish its proof houses until 1813, and though another Act was passed in 1815 to strengthen the former, the laws were not stringent enough, and the Birmingham proof was not recognized as sound until much later, when the Act of 1855, still unsatisfactory, and the eventually satisfactory one of 1868, was passed. I cant seem to find the exact one any where. 0000129535 00000 n 0000036564 00000 n 0000050678 00000 n 0000038284 00000 n Caliber is .45 and barrel is smoothbore. Proof Marks or Also has pn with shield on cylinder. 0000039418 00000 n typically do not have a caliber designation; symbols and codes are used 0000014575 00000 n 0000001537 00000 n 0000009920 00000 n As for value comes with box and back powder flask. St. Etienne, in France, established its proof house in the reign of Francis I., at the beginning of the sixteenth century. CF - 2010. The gun is a good shooter but the hammer comes down solid on the nipples, enough that the hammer isn't fully down. Not common but very neat. Following is a chart displaying the year of proof symbols used from 1954 to 2003. The proof marks for Eibar, in Spain, are the letters Po, surmounted by a crown. 0000071997 00000 n 1949 = 5 . 0000027918 00000 n Price: $380.00. VoEE&.i=Gjry&M9s PpIC9EeX During the heyday of the reproductions, there was a great deal more sharing of parts among the Italian manufacturers than was ever suspected. "Arsenal" or "Inspector Marks". 0000004339 00000 n This "certifies" that each chamber was proofed at 8,800 psi with a 30% plus load. 0000099401 00000 n I am stomped any information would be great. 0000110238 00000 n The Gibbs Deluxe Target Rifle features an octagon-to-round blued steel barrel, checkered and oil finished walnut stock with pistol grip, and premium wood butt plate and nose cap. It may not display this or other websites correctly. 1992 = BB. 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From left to right: year of manufacture, Gardone V.T. 1851 Navy Black Powder Revolver Redi-Pak .44 Cal. 0000013204 00000 n The drawings vary in style due to differences in the original information.Most are black silhouettes, but some of those that have been produced from photographs have a quasi 3 dimensional appearance that requires the onlooker . 0000009076 00000 n Italian Date Codes. Military firearms can be difficult to identify because they 0000004035 00000 n 0000106738 00000 n DGG with backwards C with looks to be 58 after it under the barrel. In my own web search for the most recent date code chart, I came across this one: What is the date for CT code? Included with the marks is a brief history of each of the manufacturers who made or are still making these replicas and the importers/distributors who imported these replicas based on what is currently known about them. 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M855 Green Tip. 0000080540 00000 n 0000090159 00000 n The standard proving of weapons rose out of the need for protection on the part of the public against unreliable weapons, and it was also a means of protecting the armourer guild and good craftsmen against outside competition with cheap imported arms. to share our findings by this means of communication. 0000000016 00000 n 0000064406 00000 n 0000001796 00000 n 0000004008 00000 n It may not display this or other websites correctly. 0000012820 00000 n The mark is applied after the gun has passed the Belgian proof. From time to time, new data becomes available that corrects previous information found to be incorrect based on what was known at the time. SOLD FOR: $1175. Spain depended for long upon the proof of individual armourers, and most Spanish barrels were marked with the stamp of the maker set in a square or oblong block under a crown. 0000013830 00000 n Fairly common in comparison, owners would have their favorite smokepole bored out instead of having the barrel re-rifled or "refreshed". The cylinder is marked with the Gardone and black powder proof marks and displays a reproduction of the 1843 Navel battle scene typically found on Colt C1860 Army revolvers. But I am starting to believe this is true. These two, and sometimes the makers private mark, may be found on many old weapons. Re-proof mark, seen on black powder rifles which had been proofed with nitro powders. These marks have all the characteristic appearance of a rectangle, with a small blob at the top rather like a tied up sack of corn. I'm going to print out this table and keep it handy for future reference. These guns will also have the "NP" mark. Price: $436.00. If poorly timed, rough and ill fitted revolvers are exported to the USA on a regular basis the actual proofing may also be skipped. 0000113366 00000 n 0000055241 00000 n 0000000016 00000 n Italian firearms date year of proof codes. Make: Pietta. There are typically three stamped mark on every italian made black powder rifle, shotgun and revolver. 222 0 obj <>stream 0000108581 00000 n %PDF-1.3 % Saillevillean E. reversed set in a square stamp (as shown below). S. Some of these markings are COM, the Double Diamond Logo, PR, MOFRA and others as assembled below. 0000014945 00000 n Pietta. 0000029262 00000 n this location now so you can return often. There were a good many very small family shops in the Gardone, Brescia area of Italy like MOFRA and others. 0 1989 = AU. E.M.F. Gun Proof Marks, Stamps and Date Codes . 0000007873 00000 n http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showforum.php?fid/131, https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/modern-replica-dating-by-proof-marks.49482/, Pietta Full Fluted Cylinder 1858 NMA Pistol Question. Firearm Gardone & Brescia BP in 44 Cal Revolver Gardone and Brescia Italian Black Powder in 44 Cal Revolver; blued finish, brass frame and wood handle grips, 6.25" barrel, 13.5" overall length, six shot capacity, front fixed and rear grooved sights; barrel is marked w/ 'star over shield' and 'star over PN' proof marks (identifies Gardone & Brescia as armorer), MADE IN ITALY; frame is marked . 0000006802 00000 n I have not been able to locate an authoritative resource It has black powder only on one of the lower barrel flats but is stamped upside down. Flog?5BnS'Vz] Wd;No$wBj2O56~N)T%D-69_f)Bl[RfU[aSV. A proof load normally runs 30% more pressure than its corresponding service load, not 30% more powder. 1969 = XXV. 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