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(and here I come back the argument) its the small independent places that can no longer get the movies into big cinema chains because they wont bring in the numbers to cover the costs. Games workshop has an extremely bad ethic towards its pricing, I saw a comparison of two kits, with a near identical amount of plastic used for the construction and both were released in the same time frame and likely designed side by side. @Greg. No it is killing the cinema. Youll argue but I havent taken anything and the owner of the IP still has their product. But heres the kicker. The current situation especially benefits those people who kept their stuff in boxes rather than paint/assemble/game with them, essentially those who buy the product but dont take part in the hobby. They tried to go public to get quick capitol and ended up eating it. Ought I go back to whipping them, or should they be permitted to return to working in the fields? Its very easy to make an illegal copy of a miniature, especially if the country where its made has bad labour policies. Ok fair enough, our companies are small and action costs. I myself am very pro recast, that being said maybe 5-10% of my models are recast. I have no remorse whatsoever for GW. Seriously, if you received the package and looked at it carefully, you would understand what we are talking about. Try again. Recast companies will be making more profit than the small indies as they dont have any other costs. Tbh I wish there was a quality metal recaster of late 90s early 2000s WFB, or that gw would just sell the moulds/ip so I could get the models I want. They are very complicated to clean, and with a lot of burrs. is it going to cause the game to completely vanish if the company were to shut down ? Things like Kodi make it seem harmless oh you clicked a few buttons and bingo it is there without any effort, so it must be harmless. Nice article, only preaching to converted. Manufacturer SCALE 75 minis, have put their foot down and advocated an anti-piracy message into the hobby world. Enjoy the hobby, dislike the business practices. The consent submitted will only be used for data processing originating from this website. It is very bad quality, hard plastic etc. Because even considering the amount of money saved, it does not make up for the atrocious quality received. With those numbers the hobby will never die, thats amazing! the books are out there the rules are out there, it would be like if Monopoly was suddenly no longer made every one knows the rules and can build their own board quit being GW fan boys they dont give a shit about you. They were available on the ebay site of the Chinese network named Taobao. Wholesome Memes Aww Anime & Manga Video Games Memes GIFs . during the month, more than 5 times the quantity that me (the creator, designer and fighter) sold the same month. Recasting is a side effect of greedy companies or individuals that take hobby members for granted. But if they got a fund together and I am sure there are enough lawyers between hobbyists that can support it pro bono. If you would like to change your settings or withdraw consent at any time, the link to do so is in our privacy policy accessible from our home page.. We are actually preparing another post about that specific issue you are mentioning because that is a topic that will also lead to a huge discussion! But if we want to talk about greed; innefficient capital structures like the massive litigious company games workshop has become cant talk and the average human animal forced into a capitalistic system also cant be blamed. The quality is just as good as forgeworld, sometimes you need to add a little greenstuff though but the same goes with forgeworld models. The cost of your model is not only resin, but a sum of the voice, buy from a recaster and you are a thief like the recaster itself. e.g. Thanks for the guys who give chance for better value and access to minis that I will never otherwice will be able to buy. Here in Spain we call it Chinoforge, the one that pretty much everyone has heard of. 20+ years of Warhammer and I only found out about recasts a few months ago. These illegal copies are either found in the second hand market or directly by those looking for a 70% discount or more. For the sake of this report, we have acquired a couple of Chinese illegal recasts as well as their respective originals, and we are going toshow you in detail why there is no point at all in buying these pieces of bad plastic. There was a demand so the pirates appeared they sell cheaper and often better quality. Also, these fake copies come without any instructions (as opposed to, of course, the original Forgeworld copy). I wonder If anybody writing that ever have ever hold Forge World model. I have a motto I live by it.regarding others if you lie,you can cheat,cheat you can steal, steal you can.lets just say theres many cases of some folks needing something bad ,dont have the money and try and steal for itthings escalate and then murder becomes involved. We are saying to watch out for recasts of other artists personal work. a 6th edition metal dwarf throne of powers market price on ebay is now around 160, thats way beyond the reach of most hobbyists, definitely out of the reach of kids. Recaster Z is the lowest cost and - #171951649 added by manollette at Desu Korps of Kreig Upload. Dont get confused. As expected, the pieces to assemble are the same as the original. Recasting gives these filthy companies a taste of their own medicine. Greg Smith, omg, really ? After games workshops 150 million EXTRA prophit in 2018 Im not sure that recasting is harming the hobby in the slightest. New 40k, AoS, & More: GWs Release Preview LATEST, Orks & Christmas Bundle White Dwarf November 2018. See our, and recently hired an infringements assistant. Its even happened with the newer hobbit resin models that are supposedly of better quality (its nowhere near forgeworld quality). This had to be done because it was nearly impossible to identify many of the pieces that came attached to large blobs of resin. GW rant incoming: I agree with buying recasts only when it is GW. Now im buying tons of big recasted models. Seriously, those copies are better quality than originals looking only on those pictures. You can call people that buy recasts thieves I hope you enjoy your elitist hobby with the few people that can afford to play it. How Imperial Agents Work in 10th Edition & Free Arbites Rules! Not the original miniature companies.. Plain and simple. After what number model those artists are paid ? Shall I summon the serf dedicated to worshiping the shavings from your glorious toenails, milord? Big mistake to highlight just one country for recasting. It looks all of you here have enough money to afford 300 pounds a month to spend on models. u go to china to get the product made why do you deserve protection from western copy right laws ? I havent bought any GW recasts yet but I support it because if it eventually hurts GW enough that they reevaluate their business practices and lower their prices, that will bring more people into the hobby and overall gaming will be better. Its all for love. GW also has a massive network of stores. If you happen to know of any second hand recast seller, or on-line store selling these fake products, we encourage you to contact the corresponding company affected so they can take proper measures against it. Even so, I think this issue began with Chinese copies of Forgeworld references. However, by doing so we are ignoring the damage that this does to the industry . If we demand fairer prices and go outside their control, it is because they are not catering to the majority of their customers. Anyone reading this would be excused from thinking that any cheap kits from a country other than china are OK. Finally, are you sure you arent a recaster? This also isnt the first time Games Workshop has gone after recasters in China or otherwise, and recently hired an infringements assistant or, in military terms, a targeter to help with the task: Would you like to assist in protecting Games Workshop from risk through removing infringing and counterfeit products, ensuring that our customers can continue to enjoy our products for years to come? See yourself for historical games, for the Warlord Games company. Recasting can come out of any country, I can think of at least seven countries from which recasters regularly produce illegal copies. Recommended Products For The Miniatures Hobby! They take all the financial risk to give a miniature its origin, why shouldnt they be entitled to make an honest living? Those are the nice guys who brought us age of sigmar, which made great armys obsolete and huge investmenst of time and money into them void. @Greg smith : Everyone before me has already said what is correct. Your supporting a criminal enterprise plain and simple which is slowly killing the hobby will these re casters spend time and money designing rule books and fluff? Adding on to what Shane Rozzell have said and more direct. Yes. We basically pay to perpetuate the work of each and every one of the artists involved in the birth of this miniature. One must ask whats in the customers best interest? As you see, this is nightmarish no matter how you look at it. Somone else will reinvent a more reasonable wheel. As a former game store employee I will say this: the amount of players that get discouraged from even trying to enter the hobby because of GWs prices makes me sad (it is a lot). Back in 2018, we saw a similar scene as well: So it appears after raising their prices on Forge World overnight by 20%, or more in some cases, Games Workshop may have started to go after Warhammer recaster companies located in China directly this holiday season. even once all my returns have been replaced by forgeworld the model is still of a lower quality than the recast. Recasters are selling multitudes of more models than the actual creator. P.O. Box 2225Southern Pines, NC 28387United States of America. the whole they charge too much so stuff them attitude is scummy and weak they are a business and need to make a profit if they start to lose market share because people are turning to other games then they might re think their prices. We see three key points to avoid these false copies: And if after reading this article you want to do something positive about this, its quite easy actually. Copies from recasters, most of the time from China, are at first glance an option to acquire otherwise expensive miniatures at affordable prices. Forge world is horribly over priced and shit quality. I am relatively new to the hobby maybe 4 years now and get the argument from each side. Its nice to see such mature topics being treated with depth. This also amounts to stealing somebody elses work. I love the crocodile tears about the indie companies. However, by doing so we are ignoring the damage that this does to the industry behind this hobby of ours. And when issues of copyright are at stake, it fascinates me how Nuts planets are ripping off HBO with game of thrones piracy, yet they are the most in vogue celebrated manufacturer. In addition, as you will see later, the casting is not good and irregular surfaces of material are very evident. Bollocks. Changed their name many times, now operating via email sending emails with links to the actual catalog. I dont want to be pointing finger, but we cannot choose to ignore part of IP basic principles, and focus on some others. Personally I would like to see new players pick it up and have the hobby flourish. So as far as Im concerned welcome to freakin reality; where everything is as shodily made as they can get away with and consumers will seek in the inevitable tug of war to get the most value for the very sacrifice of their lives for the slim hope that they might spend some of it in enjoyable repast. Because there truly is no real money in the miniatures business. You stole the rights to that model. I do not buy such copies for moral reasons, but I will not buy original figurines. The first company produces models that are far better sculpts and casts than the second. And its not more acceptable if its one of your friends or idols who did it (remember a particular space wolf bust?). Believe it or not, this industry grows out of passion and love, the same we pour on every project on our workbench. Recasters mates, I got a leviathan dreadnought for 40 NZD, Here I was just about to order a god damn Storm Hawk and their page gets ----ing annihilated, Rip, they should be back up in a couple of days. Another person trying to justify theft plain and simple if you dont like the prices dont play the game there are plenty of other great options out there at the moment. If you order anything that is not titan sized you get all the same issues the recasts have. "R" refreshes comments. It leaked that it costs Games Workshop about $5-$7 per a box of Marine Tac squad. For legit business there is high quality resin, concept art, sculpting fees, box art, advertising and labour, please dont minimise this with a flipant statement. And people have stopped going because why spend 20 on a family trip to the cinema (10 years ago) when you can get the movie for free. The models chosen are both from Forgeworld, the Elysian Tauros Venator and the classic Lietpold the Black. These companies do not pay any IP rights. The other aspect is quality of product, I know a lot of LoTR players would rather buy metal recasts from ebay rather than finecast versions of originally metal models from gw (basically all the elite troops were switched from metal to finecast when finecast first came out, so its not even the improved finecast). rockit cool direct die oculus link mic not working. The above article is, quite frankly, scaremongering. OK, rightful, dont buy it, but if you buy from a recast is like steal the model. Also, the resin used for the recasts is a very smelly material, with a very weak and brittle body, and you have to be careful with it at all times. Why, then, does FW (who run a much smaller operation, fewer employees, use silicon moulds rather than the hundred thousand pound plastic ones) charge 40 for a box of 10 Krieg Troopers? Games workshop not only wants lots of money for its live figures (5 euros for guardsman from krieg !, more than for metal ones!). I completely agree with your statement. And I do not buy the excuse hey, this is an expensive hobby. Just saying individuals like that who do that have no moral compass. FWs resin is also crap and brittle, not sure what your point is there. Recast popularity reflects that or they would not keep popping up. A quick check of eBay appeared to turn up way fewer listings for "Forge World" than last week at this time. If I had to choose between paying my electricity bill or having a dread saurian , its crystal clear. If that was to happen then there is a chance of changing something. Not me. Reporting to our Senior Legal Counsel, you will be part of our Legal team which handles a wide range of legal matters which affect Games Workshop including infringements, trade mark and copyright protection, competitions, dispute resolution and litigation, to name but a few! For the good health of our hobby. The assumption that any money spent on recasts would have gone to GW is incorrect. Judge yourselves. It is our aim to be an inclusive and wholesome place for all. What do you think of the latest Warhammer recaster to get shut down by Games Workshop ? So recast companies will push this margin further and further. Recasts: 3 reasons why we need to avoid illegal or unauthorized Amazing D&D Fantasy diorama tabletop terrain. I totally understand how the purchasing of recasts of existing stock is hurting miniature companies, but what do you think about the recasting of long out of production (10 years plus) miniatures? The people who are buying the recasts are ruining the hobby for the simple reason they are are robbing the people who bring these sculptures to life for us, without out these creative people this hobby wont survive, so are slowly killing it, why would companies carry on if someone is going to rip them off, a lot of these companies are small industries they can not take the financial hit, they are entitled to make an honest living by buying off the pirates, you are steeling money from the people you admire, else why would you be buying the figure in the first place, no doubt the scum who buy these are the same who dont pay for their music and probably have a stash of rip off DVDs too, stop being cheap skates support the talent or loose it. Greedy company? Youre obviously not using a good recaster, also you havent mentioned the cheap cost of resin and how much profit is made on resin models. The more people there are who are anticipating the reveal of new stuff are there because there is an established community and it only gets better the bigger the community is. Now lets say in this situation I have a friend who plays WH and hes a recaster, and he can get me that same army for $50. there was articular about how GW buys there cast from Chinese companys and they over order and then decide not to pay for amount they decide they no longer need. will they invest in all the new technology? You are completely right about this. We exploit our environment by our very nature and capitals need for constant continual acceleration in exploitation was never sustainable to start with. Ah yes, Im so sorry messer, I apologize that the serfs are becoming so uppity as to assume that they might be able to afford some enjoyment in their pitiful lives. As Alchemy said, they drive more new hobbyists away by doing it in this and inevitably lose out of profit in the long run. All rights reserved. GWs greed and extortionate prices. Case in point: One miniature, slightly more detailed than a normal marine: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Games-Workshop-Warhammer-40k-Space-Marine-Commander/107298737?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=1239&adid=22222222227000000000&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=42423897272&wl4=pla-51320962143&wl5=1019313&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=113137378&wl11=online&wl12=107298737&wl13=&veh=sem Whos being the thief? You are absolutely right and I agree with you (but I like, and buying, many expensive figures). When you create a community of over 200 players/painters from occident and another 300 mainlanders, manage to make an order form for let say greenstuff world for those 500 lads to get legit stuff, and you are being told : you guys are thief so no we wont deliver in China because we do not want to get copied While saying that to a European. Lately all brands have seen how our creations are being reproduced illegally and without any scruples in a massive way. I look forward to you trying that defence in court. All names, trademarks, and images are copyrighted by their respective owners. They spend hundreds of thousands of dollars creating their cast presses for the units. But theyre not paying hundreds of thousands of pounds for a plastic mould. Find, rate and share the best memes and images. Because without these proper companies, our industry would never evolve and improve, and we would probably go back to painting flat detail-less DIY miniature soldiers (with all my respects towards them). We pay for quality in finishes and materials, and the most important ofall: But Netflix absorbed a lot of people, including the extremely low population of pirates, who just wanted a reasonable price for what they wanted. We just make claims. GW greed and agressive copyright protection has no sympathy in my hart, not to mention rule changing every year and leaving youngsters out of hobby due to pricing. There are MANY legitimate streaming options that are legal and same for MP3s. enter the latest monthly giveaway for FREE today! Reply . You will create reports for the business to be discussed at monthly infringement meetings. The resin used is crap, brittle, with a lot of detail being lost and probably it is even toxic. You are stealing. What companies are u using for recasts? Despite every measure taken, with the evolution of websites and social networks, recasting has become nearly unstoppable. Its come to a point that, as I said before, this damage can only be prevented by us, the consumers. I mean, yes, you have to pay sculpting, designing, producingBut after a certain amount of models sold, the rest is profit. I have about 400 original models and tons of scenery stuff etc so ive spent a fortune. Yes, this is a business for me, my only job since 25 years, the way I have to pay my bills and keep doing what I love. Suffer in the worst way possible. In the case of this piece, originally from Forgeworld, I had a small problem with the recasters. Check out their full message on their Facebook page. There are sticky areas and others that are shiny showing where the resin has not properly cured because of a bad preparation mixture. That is the price ofany original model. Alecs is really right for all that fantasy models he refers were sculpted by artists and then casted to mass production, usually in metal and made of thick components. No one has put more indie model firms out of business than GW. I blame LEGOs. Obviously, as you will see now, the original copy hasvery good quality in every detail. Another army made unplayable. Detail is not lost when buying from larger recasters. The models they had to sculpt digitally and then cast in a way they would both fit in the box, and be easy to mass produce. The resin *can* be toxic, but buying from larger recasters is safe. Whats the actual law being broken when trading for a recast model? There was a study by the EU relating to video games that piracy helped games sell better. 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